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Orange, not you too. Is there one person who isn't blinded by the "scientists" who formuled this for their profit?
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Earth's Climate Thermostat
by Dr. Larry Vardiman*

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"Vital Articles on Science/Creation" September 2001
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Introduction
Global warming, the greenhouse effect, and climate change continue to receive attention in the media and scientific circles. A recent decision by President George W. Bush not to ratify the Kyoto Accords on Carbon Dioxide (CO2) emissions has spurred all kinds of political commentary. Yet, scientists remain divided on the legitimacy of attributing global warming to human releases of CO2. Approximately half of the atmospheric science community remains skeptical of global warming. Some of these atmospheric experts have gone so far as to sign statements refuting the results of theoretical climate models used to predict future warming.1

In June 1990 I first discussed some of the issues at play in the greenhouse controversy. I went so far as to suggest that cloudiness had not been treated adequately in global climate models and could function as a negative feedback mechanism in the atmosphere which served to limit global warming.2 I have also discussed global warming in light of what I believe are mistaken interpretations of the Ice Age.3, 4 Since 1990 the connection between carbon dioxide and global warming has become slightly clearer, but significant governmental regulation has been proposed. In this article I will attempt to restrict my comments to the scientific aspects of the controversy. Fortunately, cooler heads currently prevail in Washington, D.C., forestalling implementation of unnecessary policies advocated by our former Vice President.5

Atmospheric Concentrations of CO2
The concentration of CO2 at the observatory on Mauna Loa, Hawaii, has exhibited a continuing increase since 1990.6 Figure 1 shows this increase through 2000 with annual oscillations due to the summer growth of continental and marine vegetation in the northern hemisphere which extracts CO2 from the atmosphere in the summer and releases it in the winter. Solid horizontal lines show estimated levels which prevailed in 1900 and 1940.7 The magnitude of the atmospheric increase during the 1980s and 1990s was about three gigatons of carbon (Gt) per year. This compares to 5.5 Gt per year estimated for the human release of CO2, primarily from coal, oil, and natural gas, and the production of cement. However, these numbers are small compared to the reservoirs of carbon: 750 Gt in the atmosphere, 1,000 Gt in the surface ocean, 2,200 Gt in the vegetation, soils, and detritus, and 38,000 Gt in the intermediate and deep oceans.


Figure 1. Atmospheric CO2 concentration at Mauna Loa, Hawaii.6 Approximate global concentrations of CO2
in 1900 and 1940 are also shown as horizontal lines.7 (attached, bottom)

Temperature Trends
It is apparent that CO2 is increasing in the atmosphere, whether for natural or human causes. However, does this rise in CO2 result in increased warming of the atmosphere? Figure 2 shows the annual mean surface temperature in the contiguous United States between 1895 and 1997 as compiled by the National Climate Data Center.8 The trend line for this 103-year period has a slope of 0.22oC per century. Note, however, that the slope from 1940 to 1997 is much lower at 0.08oC per century during this period when the greatest increase in CO2 was observed. The greatest rate of estimated warming does not seem to coincide with the period of greatest increase in atmospheric CO2.

Questions have been raised about the accuracy of the surface temperature measurements used in these calculations. For example, the so-called "heat island effect" may have caused the temperature observations to be biased to higher values toward the end of the century as weather-observing locations were encroached upon by growing cities. It is well known that temperatures in cities exhibit higher temperatures than surrounding countrysides. It is likely that 100-year-old weather stations have a built-in warming trend due to this effect.


Figure 2. Annual mean surface temperature in the
U.S. between 1895 and 1997.8 (attached, Bottom)

In an attempt to remove this bias, temperature trends of radiosonde measurements from 63 upper-air stations between 90°N and 90°S latitude from 1958 to 1996 and measurements of a satellite microwave sounding unit between 83°N and 83°S latitude from 1979 to 1997 of global lower tropospheric temperatures were studied. Both of these systems show a slight decline in temperature since 1979.

These temperature trends all fly in the face of projections by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).9 The IPCC has routinely stated that increases in global atmospheric temperatures by as much as 5oC (10oF) would occur if the concentration of CO2 were to double. The IPCC has been the primary source of scientific expertise which has led to the Kyoto agreement that CO2 emissions be cut drastically in developed countries. Recommendations by the IPCC are based primarily on the results of global climate models which still do not include an adequate treatment of many physical mechanisms like cloud cover.

A Climate Thermostat
In March of 2001 a significant paper by Richard Lindzen of MIT was published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society which addresses the cloud-cover feedback mechanism.10 Dr. Lindzen has been a long-time critic of the IPCC and a highly respected researcher in the atmospheric sciences. His paper reports that clouds in the tropics respond to warmer sea-surface temperatures (SST) by permitting long-wave radiation to space to increase, causing greater cooling of the atmosphere. This negative feedback mechanism would more than cancel all the positive feedbacks included in the more sensitive current climate models.

Dr. Lindzen calculated the average SST as a function of cloud cover and found a strong negative relationship. His explanation for the negative relationship is that warmer SSTs lead to higher humidities and greater convective activity. This greater convective activity is more efficient in creating rainfall, leaving less moisture to form cirrus anvils which prevent long-wave radiation from escaping to space. Consequently, warmer SSTs lead to more rapid cooling of the atmosphere and stabilization of the earth's temperature.

Conclusions
Richard Lindzen's mechanism works differently than the one I proposed ten years ago, but the result is similar. In either case, God has designed the atmosphere to maintain a uniform temperature, whether there is a cooling or a warming tendency. Only under catastrophic conditions will the atmosphere experience major changes. This type of catastrophic event occurred during the Genesis Flood, but this event involved unique conditions not applicable now. Under normal circumstances, God has designed the atmosphere with a built-in thermostat which maintains thermal equilibrium. This climate condition does not lead to a runaway greenhouse or a new ice age. The view of a climate with a built-in thermostat contrasts strongly with the conventional worldview that the atmosphere is unstable and a minor perturbation could lead to a natural catastrophe of either fire or ice.

References
1 Seitz, Frederick, 1998, Petition Project: Global Warming Review, see info@oism.org, January.
2 Vardiman, Larry, 1990, "The Christian and the Greenhouse Effect," ICR Impact No. 204, June.
3 Vardiman, Larry, 1994, "Out of Whose Womb Came the Ice?" ICR Impact No. 254, August.
4 Vardiman, Larry, 1995, "A Faulty Climate Trigger," ICR Impact No. 261, March.
5 Gore, Albert, Jr., 1992, Earth in the Balance, Houghton Mifflin.
6 Keeling, C.D. and T.P. Whorf, 1997, Trends Online: A Compendium of Data on Global Change, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
7 Idso, S.B., 1989, Carbon Dioxide and Global Change: Earth in Transition, IBR Press, 7.
8 Brown, W.O. and Heim, R.R., 1996, National Climate Data Center, Climate Variation Bulletin, 8, Historical Climatology Series 4-7, December.
9 Houghton, John T. et al., 1995, Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Cambridge University Press.
10 Lindzen, Richard S., Ming-Dah Chou, and Arthur Y. Hou, 2001, "Does the Earth Have an Adaptive Infrared Iris?" Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 82, 417-432, March.
* Dr. Vardiman is Chairman of the Astrogeophysics Department at ICR.
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Notice, even through co2 emissions have increased, mean annual temps throughout the world haven't increased to match it. CO2 Emissions were much lower inthe 1920's-1940's, but the temps were higher than today. Notice it is a cyclical temperature change. So, what global warming?
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Conclusions
Richard Lindzen's mechanism works differently than the one I proposed ten years ago, but the result is similar. In either case, God has designed the atmosphere to maintain a uniform temperature, whether there is a cooling or a warming tendency. Only under catastrophic conditions will the atmosphere experience major changes. This type of catastrophic event occurred during the Genesis Flood, but this event involved unique conditions not applicable now.
First of all, I have a lot of trouble believing the validity of 'scientific' data when it is clouded with words like "God", "religion", and "Bible" which do not belong in a scientific debate. Noah's flood as described in the bible would have caused a release of water vapor that would have heated the earth to over 4000 degrees F, boiling it almost instantaneously. I like these "unique conditions"

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Under normal circumstances, God has designed the atmosphere with a built-in thermostat which maintains thermal equilibrium. This climate condition does not lead to a runaway greenhouse or a new ice age. The view of a climate with a built-in thermostat contrasts strongly with the conventional worldview that the atmosphere is unstable and a minor perturbation could lead to a natural catastrophe of either fire or ice.
There is strong evidence to support a gradually fluctuation of the Earth's temporary that is not only normal, but healthy. Generally we see a shift between eras of colder weather and eras of warmer weather that the entire planet experiences. However, the rise in green house gases caused by the burning of coal, oil, and other fossil fuels has caused and will continue to cause a rise in how extreme these eras are.

Think of it as a wave on a graph, the normal fluctuation goes up and down, with major interupting forces such as global disasters, ice ages, etc. But when you add the amounts of greenhouse gases that we have added to the atmosphere, the wave doesn't change at all, it simply moves 'up' on the graph. This creates warmer warm eras, and warmer cold eras. It is very difficult to predict to what degree this effects us, because our study of global climates overtime is relatively new. As one may ascertain from simple observation, we are in a warm stage. However, we do not know if this warm stage is normal as warm stages go, or if it should not be this hot globally. More will become clear, but not for hundreds of years when we can more accurately compare past global temperatures.

As for CFCs, if you know ANYTHING about basic science you know that CFCs are unstable. Here is a link to better explain the process of how Chlorofluorocarbons destroy Ozone. (Information courtesy of http://www.ciesin.org/ Center for International Earth Science Information Network)

So you are depleting the Ozone layer, which protects against harmful gamma and Ultra Violet rays, by using CFCs...and if you think anything different DarkCloud, you're clearly off your nut. This is basic chemistry.

At the rate that we are deforesting our world largest rainforests, and at the rate we create greenhouse gases through our (as humans) Coal burning and Oil consumption, we will experience SERIOUS problems in the near future. Hell, China is becoming more and more dependent on Coal power, despite this 3GD crap which will hurt the environment AND only solve 20% of their energy needs...not to mention that the United States still relies on Coal for most of ITS production (and it uses much, much more than China, even with 1/4 the population)

What happens and will happen in places like Mexico City, Rio de Janero, Cairo, Los Angeles, and Tokyo-Yokohama is huge heat islands that form and make life unbareable. The best example is Mexico City. If you're at all familiar with Mexico City, it lies in the middle of what used to be an inland lake between two dormant volanoes and a mess of mountains. The pollution created by the nearly 20 million Mexico City (and Urban pop) dwellers simply has nowhere to go...it gets trapped by the mountains and hangs over the city. The incomplete combustion that eventually occurs creates O3 (Ozone) and CO (Carbon Monoxide) which hangs over the city. Ozone at sea level is more commonly referred to as Smog. It's not breathable, and neither is Carbon Monoxide, and both are very harmful. In fact, sources estimate that living in Mexico City is the equivalent of smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day!!

Here is a link from the Environmental Education Network for more information (an article written about an MIT study on Mexico City's smog problems)

It's not just the health of our earth that's in danger, it's the prosperity of our great (and not so great) cities, and the health of those that dwell in them. I'd much rather switch to Nuclear and Hydroelectric, as well as Electric powered cars and more efficient maglev and railway systems now than be forced to foot the bill for a nation's healthcare in the future from breathing difficulties, athsma, lung cancer, and skin cancer.
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I'd like to direct your attention to three graphs, available from the Institute for Lifecycle Energy Analysis website (http://www.ilea.org/)

This first one shows how per capita, China has relatively little CO2 emission. Howver, should it become half as industralized as the United States, it would have twice the emissions that we do.
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Second, this graph shows the relation between CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperature. As you can see, there is a normal fluctuation as stated earlier. However, if this fluctuation is normal to begin with, and we add to it with our incessant polluting, the graph will be skewed upwards.

Have a look...
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and lastly, this final graph proves the point above, by showing that the change in temperature has been most drastic starting during the years that the world became industrialized.
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